Norsk soldat drept i Afghanistan.

[Dr_S]

Jeg så en nederlandsk dokumentar fra Afghanistan, NATO soldatene fra Nederland lot bøndene dyrke opium i fred.

De hadde en teori om at hvis de ikke fikk dyrke det og ha et levebrød, havnet de i klørne til Taliban..

 

 

Forøvrig vil jeg ikke si annet om Norges deltakelse der nede enn at jeg håper ikke vi mister flere gode menn.

[Marius]

Jeg så en nederlandsk dokumentar fra Afghanistan, NATO soldatene fra Nederland lot bøndene dyrke opium i fred.

De hadde en teori om at hvis de ikke fikk dyrke det og ha et levebrød, havnet de i klørne til Taliban..

 

 

Forøvrig vil jeg ikke si annet om Norges deltakelse der nede enn at jeg håper ikke vi mister flere gode menn.

 

ISAF får ikke bry seg om Opium produksjonen egentlig. Det er Afghanistans politi som skal gjøre.

 

90% av heroin kommer fra Afghanistan har jeg hørt.

[Juristen]

ISAF får ikke bry seg om Opium produksjonen egentlig. Det er Afghanistans politi som skal gjøre.

 

90% av heroin kommer fra Afghanistan har jeg hørt.

 

Det du sier er helt korrekt. ISAF legger seg ikke opp i opiumsproduksjonen, hovedsaklig med den begrunnelse som jeg tidligere har nevnt. Dette er kriminell aktivitet som skal "bekjempes" av afghanske myndigheter, og da i form av politiet (ANP).

 

I gjennomsnitt kommer 80-90 % av all heroin fra opiumsproduksjon i Afghanistan, ja, det er helt korrekt. Til tider produseres det mer heroin der enn verdens heroinmarked klarer å forbruke...

[Superthomas]

For å sette det på spissen, vi trenger USA uansett om vi liker det eller ikke. Kort og godt må vi bare si ja til det meste de ønsker. Dog trenger vi ikke gjøre alt de ber oss om, men å holde vennskapet vedlike er veldig viktig slik utviklingen går nå..

 

USA reddet ikke Europa under andre verdenskrig, det er bevist gang på gang. Russland kan vel sees på som de som "reddet" europa. USA sto for det meste på sidenlinjen under andre verdenskrig og grep ikke inn før de selv ble angrepet.

 

PS: Er ikke pro usa eller noe hvis det virker som :)

"The Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge debate is a dispute over what, if any, advance knowledge American officials had of Japan's December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

Ever since the Japanese attack there has been debate as to how and why the United States had been caught unaware, and how much and when American officials knew of Japanese plans and related topics. Several writers, including journalist Robert Stinnett and former United States rear admiral Robert Alfred Theobald, have argued that various parties high in the US and British governments knew of the attack in advance and may even have let it happen or encouraged it in order to force America into war via the "back door." Evidence supporting this view is taken from quotations and source documents from the time and the release of newer materials.

 

Examination of information released since the War has revealed there was considerable intelligence information available to US and other nations' officials. It may have been the failure to process and use this information effectively that has led some to invoke conspiracy theories rather than a less interesting mix of mistake and circumstance.

 

A relevant and contemporaneous perspective is given by Vice Admiral Frank E. Beatty, who at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack was an aide to the Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox and was very close to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's inner circle, with perspicuous remarks as: "Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan — to get out of China, for example — were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way — and we knew their over-all import — pointed that way."

 

Og da har vi ikke engang begynt på de enorme pengesummene de ville tjene... De visste at krig er stor butikk, de trengte bare en vei inn.

 

kilde:

Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Ikke glem denne:

http://www.bilforumet.no/stripa/185997-liten-tankevekker.html

[Juristen]

"The Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge debate is a dispute over what, if any, advance knowledge American officials had of Japan's December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

Ever since the Japanese attack there has been debate as to how and why the United States had been caught unaware, and how much and when American officials knew of Japanese plans and related topics. Several writers, including journalist Robert Stinnett and former United States rear admiral Robert Alfred Theobald, have argued that various parties high in the US and British governments knew of the attack in advance and may even have let it happen or encouraged it in order to force America into war via the "back door." Evidence supporting this view is taken from quotations and source documents from the time and the release of newer materials.

 

Examination of information released since the War has revealed there was considerable intelligence information available to US and other nations' officials. It may have been the failure to process and use this information effectively that has led some to invoke conspiracy theories rather than a less interesting mix of mistake and circumstance.

 

A relevant and contemporaneous perspective is given by Vice Admiral Frank E. Beatty, who at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack was an aide to the Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox and was very close to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's inner circle, with perspicuous remarks as: "Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan — to get out of China, for example — were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way — and we knew their over-all import — pointed that way."

 

Og da har vi ikke engang begynt på de enorme pengesummene de ville tjene... De visste at krig er stor butikk, de trengte bare en vei inn.

 

kilde:

Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Ikke glem denne:

http://www.bilforumet.no/stripa/185997-liten-tankevekker.html

 

OFF-TOPIC????? :)

[Superthomas]

OFF-TOPIC????? :)

 

Strengt tatt.. egentlig ikke. Det samme som skjer igjen..

[Juristen]

Strengt tatt.. egentlig ikke. Det samme som skjer igjen..

 

Jeg sier ikke at det du skriver er feil, men topicen her er "Norsk soldat drept i Afghanistan", og da er innlegget ditt off-topic :D

[Karlsen^]

[Superthomas]

Jeg sier ikke at det du skriver er feil, men topicen her er "Norsk soldat drept i Afghanistan", og da er innlegget ditt off-topic :D

 

Jo, du har forsåvidt rett i det. Men siktet bare til dialogen som gikk tidligere i tråden (dog noe seint ute..)

Min mening gjør forsåvidt ikke saken noe bedre, tragisk er det okke som. Må være fryktelig å være pårørende til noe slikt